Filed under: 2008 Offseason, Editorial | Tags: 49ers, alex smith, great quarterbacks, mike martz
Well it’s been a while, hasn’t it? I’ve sat out this offseason waiting for, as Jack Sparrow once said, the opportune moment. This is that moment. As we begin the runup to Training Camp, staring on July 24th, I ran into a few questions that I find intriguing enough to answer on this blog.
The first is a question regarding the Quarterback issue. Over on Matt Maiocco’s blog at the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, a fan called San Jose 49er said the following in the comments:
“Damon Bruce said ‘If Alex Smith came back to be a decent quarterback it would be the biggest comeback in the history of the NFL.’ Name one quarterback that has started a career like this and ended up even being decent? Thats what I thought… none.”
Of course I took this opportunity to look into the issue and decide if there indeed had been any quarterback that fits this equation. One fan posited Terry Bradshaw as his answer, with the challenge for San Jose 49er to “do some research.” Not to worry, I did it for him. I went straight to our very own quarterback history.
Steve Young fits this bill. In 1986 for Tampa Bay he played in 11 games, threw for 2k yards, 8 TD, 13 INT, 47 sacks. He did better the next year, in 8 games he threw for 10 TD and 0 INT, but only 570 yards. In 1988 in 11 games for the 49ers, 680 yds 3 TD, 3 INT, 13 sacks. Steve Young’s future in the league was questioned right up to the point he was named the starter. If you forget that, you’re either too young to remember or too blind to notice.
So I calculated Young’s first three years vs. Smith’s first three years:
G Att Comp Pct Yds Avg TD INT SCK RATING
27 570 304 53% 3787 6.6 21 21 71 71.14
32 800 435 54.4% 4679 5.8 19 31 81 63.5
Then I even broke it down by average per game over those three years, because that’s the kind of dedication I bring:
Att Comp Pct Yds Avg TD INT SCK RATING
21 11 52% 140 6.6 .7 .7 2.6 70.73
25 13 52% 146 5.8 .6 .9 2.5 62.75
Smith and Young are comparable on accuracy around 53%, comparable in yards, and neither very impressive with their rating. Young turned out pretty darn good later on.
What about Terry Bradshaw? Well he wasn’t even a “great” quarterback. He’s the Trent Dilfer of his day. In fact, I compared him to Trent Dilfer for you, because I bring it, fo rillz, yo.
Att Comp Pct Yds Avg TD INT SCK RTG
2025 3901 51.9 27,989 7.2 212 210 307 70.9
1759 3172 55.5 20,518 6.5 113 129 263 70.2
Any guess as to which numbers are for the Hall-of-Famer and which are for the career scrub? The only time Bradshaw threw over 60% in a season was when he had 8 pass attempts in 1983, his final year. For the record, the top line is Bradshaw, and Dilfer was a more accurate passer! This just goes to show how a great supporting cast can help you. Imagine if Alex Smith had John Stallworth and Lynn Swann to throw to!
Look at John Elway. He was under 60%, 1 to 1 TD to INT ratio (or worse) all the way through 1991. Yeah he had a ton of yards, but his career rating is 79.9.
Now, let me be frank here: The Quarterback Rating system is an imperfect system. It was designed to place a greater weight on completion percentage and Touchdown to Interception ratio. This goes to the strength of the West Coast Offense. However, a guy like Dan Marino has an 86.4 rating, which will not take into account his massive number of yards and touchdowns. A high rating is great to have, but ultimately means nothing. In the end Bradshaw has four rings, and Marino has none.
So what’s the point? Am I implying that Alex Smith is every bit as good as Steve Young, Dan Marino, and John Elway? Certainly not. Am I saying Smith will win Super Bowls while being as bad as Terry Bradshaw or Trent Dilfer? I hope not. The point is that after three seasons his fate is hardly decided at this juncture, and I maintain that it’s not his fault. Yes, that’s right, it’s time for “excuses” as some say, or “facts” as I like to call them.
The last five years in San Francisco may in fact be the worst ever environment for players or coaches in the history of sports. Terry Donahue managed to almost singlehandedly destroy the salary cap status of the franchise. He also managed to rob us of a good coach in Steve Mariucci. Dennis Erickson stepped into a situation of ineptitude and micromanagement, and never really had a chance to succeed.
Enter Mike Nolan, a rookie head coach. Enter Alex Smith, a rookie quarterback. Both of these men stepped into a situation where ownership wanted to change things around. Both of these men stepped into the historically hallowed positions “49ers Head Coach” and “49ers Quarterback,” with expectations to do just that. However, it is an ownership that so far has been marked by nearly as much ineptitude as Terry Donahue displayed, but at least they’re trying to learn.
All the quarterbacks mentioned above stepped into the pros after playing the same style of football in college. This factor cannot be overlooked. All the Hall of Fame quarterbacks mentioned above played for Hall of Fame coaches at the outset. They all had consistency in their coaching staff and playing style. Alex Smith has had none of that.
From day one Nolan and Smith were expected to be as good as Walsh and Montana. Like it or not, say it or not, no city or fan base comes pre-installed with the same level of expectations as San Francisco. Fans of this team have come to expect greatness, and so they demand greatness. From day one McCarthy used this as a vehicle to go coach Brett Favre, Turner used it as a vehicle away from the Raiders, Hostler… got in the vehicle and didn’t know how to drive it.
Smith has always had the physical tools to be a great quarterback, he’s just never had the coach who could draw out the good and refine away the bad. He has already done that 49er Quarterback thing of cementing himself in NFL history, when he made the single greatest improvement in quarterback rating jumping up from 40 in year one to 74 in year two. The quarterbacks above had consistency in their coaching staff, quality receivers to throw to, and an offensive line that knew how to protect.
This is the first season he will have all three of those pieces. Now watch what he does with them.
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You gave Steve Young’s total stats for his first 3 years, but you quoted totals from years 2 thru 4.
Comment by Craig July 3, 2008 @ 6:58 pmJim, you are the man. You consistently tell the truth when it comes to Alex Smith’s situation. To suggest at this point that AS is a bust is crazy. In his first year, the team surrounding him would have placed in the bottom half of the PAC-10. In his 2nd year, under Turner, he began to shine (at Seattle, at Denver). Despite lousy play calling by Hostler, he single-handedly won the Phoenix game and was key in the St Louis win. Two games later he was gone for the season.
Thanks for being a voice of truth amid a whole lot of crap this out there. I really enjoy reading your posts. Keep it up.
I believe Alex will make great strides this year.
Comment by Mike July 3, 2008 @ 11:42 pmGreat column IJ. Really puts things into perspective.
Comment by bigdaddy July 4, 2008 @ 1:10 amHey Craig, I quoted year four statistics only because I wanted to illustrate how Steve Young’s future was still in doubt even as far as his fourth season. Everyone knew he was the backup behind Montana at the time, obviously, so no one was concerned with whether or not he was a bust.
After that I went ahead and made a side-by-side comparison of the first three years. Thanks for keeping me honest!
Mike and bigdaddy, as always, I appreciate the positive feedback.
Comment by indianajim July 4, 2008 @ 9:53 amDarn, if he is playing with the Niners, I don’t care if Smith will play worse than Trent Dilfer while we don ring #6.
Comment by Enrico July 4, 2008 @ 12:24 pmWhile your quantitative argument holds some merit, I’m sure you’d agree that watching the game film is important as well. More specifically, Smith has not consistently shown the kinds of instincts that the great ones have. And, rather than Montana or Young, I look at players like Jeff Garcia as a better gauge of this. Garcia, who does not have the same physical tools as Smith or many other QBs in the league, has excelled largely because of his instincts and decision-making abilities. You saw a glimpse of that with Hill last year, where he was much more decisive and instinctive on the field. Does this mean Smith can’t get there? I’m not sure; however, I think it’s harder to develop these qualities than to train someone like Garcia (or maybe Hill), who is already instinctive and decisive, to use these instincts within a system. Lastly, as a 35+ year Bay Area fan, I don’t necessarily see Montana and Young as the benchmarks. In fact, I was thrilled to watch Garcia play and think someone at his level (with the right team around him) is plenty good enough to win playoffs and superbowls. I think Smith has 3-4 games to prove himself this year. If he’s anything less than good and or the team is anything less than 2-2, Nolan will bench him.
Comment by Rice and Beans July 4, 2008 @ 12:59 pmRice and Beans
Perhaps you missed “the worst ever environment for players or coaches in the history of sports.” He displayed plenty of instinct in college, as well as during his second year. All documented on film.
Instinct alone cannot overcome this environment into which a rookie steps. Three seasons, only one with any solid coaching whatsoever. The jury is still out, my friend.
Comment by indianajim July 4, 2008 @ 1:07 pmActually, I think you missed this: “Does this mean Smith can’t get there? I’m not sure…” In other words, I’m not ruling anything out. And I agree that the environment has been perfectly terrible, but think of all the QBs who have been successful after floating around on practice squad after practice squad or those who join their teams after the team has been eviscerated for rebuilding. It’s certainly been an uphill battle for Smith, but that’s also the nature of the game to a certain extent. This isn’t a binary argument; it’s a matter of degrees and a question of whether he’s shown enough. And on that point, I’m not sold. Can he be a good QB? With some solid coaching and a more solid team around him, probably. (See Eli Manning for a comparison.) Can he be a great, consistently game-changing QB? In my opinion, the odds are much, much longer.
Look, I hope he can put a string of really solid games together this year, gain some confidence, and really start to grow. I would like nothing more than for Smith to emerge as a great QB. But I have yet to see that spark for more than a quarter or a half. I have yet to see him truly dominate and take over a game, even when he’s had the chances to do this. (In other words, it hasn’t been uniformly terrible over the last few year – he has had *some* chances.) And I have yet to consistently see that rapid-fire decision making that we saw from Hill last year, especially with throwing the ball. (He has done this a few times by taking off and running.)
Overall, I think we can agree that great QBs emerge in different ways. Some join terrible teams, overcome all the odds and flat out make their teams better. Others have a much more linear development path and need a lot more nurturing. The problem, however, is that the odds are stacked against the second group.
Comment by Rice and Beans July 5, 2008 @ 12:34 pmWhat a load of crap!
How is this anything short of a list of excuses and baseless flattery for a QB who has shown zip on the NFL field, ever?
This is anything but analysis.
No one else in the wide world of sports is still laying Smith’s lacks on his OCs except here.
Smith was forced to go through his reads and recognize blitzes? Freaking unbelievable! That’s what QBs do! in any league! Much less a $40M phenom, and 1st overall!
Let’s get back to the fantasy league bs. It’s less infuriating.
Comment by NoFearNiner July 5, 2008 @ 2:43 pmDid somebody actually say that Alex single- handedly beat Arizona last year, are you 5 years old? Alex had to comeback because his horrible 3 and out garbage put us in such a hole we had to come from behind. Our defense single handedly won that game and that was obvious to anyone that was lucid. Same against the Rams it was the defense and Frank Gores breakaway touchdown run that won that game. You guys are living in a fantasy world. In 2006 he was garbage. 16 tds and 16 ints while throwing for less than 3000 yards, look out hall of fame! Ohe yeah, that was the same year Frank Gore ran for 1,790 yds and had defenses only focusing on him (and because every defense know that Alex will NEVER beat them)and Alex still put up those garbage numbers lol. Most qbs would have thrown for 3,800 yds and 21 tds in their sleep. How could the o line be so horrible and pave the way for a 1,790 yd rusher… hmmmmm You say you don’t use excuses and you use facts, well here are some facts… Alex Smith cannot throw an accurate screen pass, Alex cannot throw to a spot before a wr makes his break, Alex cannot throw an accurate 10 yd out pattern, Alex cannot keep his eyes on the field and freezes up with any pass rush pressure, Alex cannot throw on the run and throws it into the guys shoe laces even though it’s popular for Smith lovers to say he is good at throwing on the run which is totally baseless… Oh yeah, Alex went 16 straight game throwing for under 200 yds LOL that is historically pathetic, crunch those numbers with Steve Young and Terry Bradshaw. Do you Smith excuse makers even watch niner games because I have season tickets and I’m at every game and I see guys from Antonio Bryant (who was a damn good wr), Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Darrell Jackson and Arnez Battle be open by a mile and throw their hands up in frustration because Alex misses them or holds the ball so long he lets the defense converge on the open wr so even if they do catch it they get smacked. His numbers are on par with the worst qbs in NFL history (look it up). I can’t wait for you koolaid drinkers that don’t live in reality are saying in five years when Alex is playing crappy in the CFL for the Toronto Eskimos are posting blogs making excuses because the Eskimos don’t have top notch receivers. Every opposing defenses know Alex Sucks, Steve Young and Jerry Rice know he sucks and Jerry Rice has actually said those words on Sirius, his teammates know Alex sucks and many of them have been vocal about it, the only people that don’t know he sucks is about 100 8 year olds that just starting following the niners and have lower expectations than than Raider fans… Unless you were an 8 year old the only people I personally know that like Alex are Raider fans because they hate the niners and they know the niners will never be good if that scared deer in headlights bum is under the helm.
Comment by Niner4Life July 5, 2008 @ 3:13 pmAlex did not display great instincts passing in college he displayed the same instincts as Scott Frost did at Nebraska except at Utah you play against GARBAGE competition he played in a gimmicky spread option offense that doesnt translate into the NFL game which you mentioned… Bad environments, try Oakland… You know what’s funny Tim Rattay put better numbers up than Alex Smith and he had just as bad or worse weapons than Alex… Brandon Lloyd and Kevan Barlow as your playmakers please! So even if all these excuses for Alex are true, if you have game you show it at some point he hasnt played one full good complete game in 3 years, he had one good HALF of football against the Seahawks in 06 which wouldnt be acceptable for a starting qb taken in the 4th round much less the first overall pick in the draft, he’s a man not a little baby playing pop warner, be a man and make a play… Oh yeah Trent Edwards for the Bills got to start his first year on a team ravaged by injuries and he played really really well and is 100 times better than Alex, where is the excuse there. Alex could have Randy Moss and Andre Johnson as his wr’s and they would have 600 yds and 3 tds on the year because alex is an inaccurate scared bum that blames his injuries on a coach, first time I have every seen that but what should you expect from a girl.
Comment by Niner4Life July 5, 2008 @ 3:22 pmRice and Beans: Good point, and I don’t discount your sentiment. It’s a perfectly acceptable one.
Gentlemen, the question was “No quarterback who started out this bad turned out decent. Name one.” So I did, for sake of argument.
Incidentally, what was the quality of Steve Young’s competition at BYU? Just curious.
The name-calling and emotionally-charged hyperbole is High School. Can we not go back there?
Comment by indianajim July 5, 2008 @ 6:06 pmAgreed, alot of ppl who hate on Smith only see the bad that was going on in his career. Yet they dont want to, and fail to admit that it wasnt entirely his fault for his regression. Ive noticed at many of times from recievers dropping easy balls, and game winning TDs to O line to inept calling; were root cause to our failure. Hate to say it but the reason why we sucked the last five years wasnt Rattays nor Smith, but the entire team as a whole.
Also many of these peeps do read far off the topic.
Comment by thakidd July 8, 2008 @ 12:24 amAs sad as it is, Niner4Life makes a some very good points and a compelling argument. I wouldn’t go as far as he does, but it’s really hard to overlook all Smith’s poorly thrown passes, bad decisions, deer-in-the-headlights plays, etc. I’m hoping something miraculous happens and proves us all wrong….
Comment by Rice and Beans July 11, 2008 @ 11:39 am